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james
post Jan 31 2008, 08:22 AM
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Dragging up the past a bit - TV show Mythbusters ran it's much anticipated episode with a practical experiment version of this question on it a couple of nights ago over in the US.

I don't know when it will come on over here but for the curious Kottke liveblogged it and also links to another good explanation from a guy with a Sc.D. in Nuclear Science and Engineering (whatever that is).

And for the hard of attention and understanding - yes of course it takes off. biggrin.gif


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post Feb 25 2008, 10:20 AM
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Brando, Brando, Brando......

If you strapped a rocket to my arse when I was running on a treadmill and fired it up, it wouldn't matter if I were Linford Christie on Speed, I would be propelled forwards and out through the walls of the gym. If you nailed some wings to my shoulders, then I would probably be able to make some sort of attempt at flight.

There is no way the treadmill can stop the plane moving forward and gaining lift as the wheels are free spinning and reduce the opposing force needed to act against the thrust of the engines. The force supposedly generated by the treadmill.

If you took the wheels off the plane and just sat it on the treadmill and the friction generated by the treadmill was equal and opposite to the thrust generated by the engines, then the plane would just sit there burning jet fuel.


It would take off but not as some people imagine.
i.e... Just stationary and then magically lifting of the ground.


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James   Plane on a conveyor revisited   Jan 31 2008, 08:22 AM
camsmith   You could just have used his graphic... :devil: :...   Jan 31 2008, 10:39 AM
jamie   I just want to publicly state at this point I st...   Feb 22 2008, 10:19 AM
paul   If you strapped a rocket to my arse when I was ru...   Feb 25 2008, 10:53 AM
James   Reading that lit up a bulb for me - I never consi...   Feb 27 2008, 08:48 AM
jamie   no, I can see how you are thinking.. Its just if t...   Feb 29 2008, 03:16 PM
Jeffers   Your wrong no, I can see how you are thinking.. ...   Feb 29 2008, 05:23 PM
paul   no, I can see how you are thinking.. Its just if ...   Feb 29 2008, 09:08 PM
James   Ok - as long as you didn't think we meant it s...   Mar 1 2008, 10:46 AM
jamie   that only makes sense if the plane were suspended ...   Mar 2 2008, 12:09 PM
Emily   It took my a while to get this but there was one e...   Mar 2 2008, 04:12 PM
jamie   dont get me wrong, that makes sense. But there is ...   Mar 2 2008, 06:15 PM
Emily   the engine is pulling the plane through the air - ...   Mar 2 2008, 10:22 PM
Jeffers   Emily is correct. :tongue: the engine is pull...   Mar 3 2008, 12:24 PM
jamie   Its not that I dont understand what you are saying...   Mar 3 2008, 02:31 PM
James   Imagine you are holding a matchbox car (the kind w...   Mar 3 2008, 03:16 PM
Egg Designer   Imagine you are holding a matchbox car (the kind ...   Mar 3 2008, 03:25 PM
jamie   Exactly! Couldnt find a way of phrasing it. ...   Mar 3 2008, 06:40 PM
Emily   I think this has got to the point where without se...   Mar 3 2008, 09:33 PM
camsmith   Jamie, I think you are forgetting one simple thing...   Mar 3 2008, 10:24 PM
jamie   if the plane was floating i would agree. There i...   Mar 4 2008, 05:34 PM
camsmith   If you want to take that line, then there is a sim...   Mar 5 2008, 04:35 AM
jamie   Ok, lets revisit the rope scenario In a relevant ...   Mar 5 2008, 05:59 PM
Jeffers   Your wrong Accept it and move on with your life. ...   Mar 6 2008, 05:50 PM
Emily   I sorry I can't wait - Jamie you've missed...   Mar 6 2008, 08:08 PM
paul   Did anyone see the Motor racing?   Mar 7 2008, 06:08 PM
jamie   With or without the wheels the result would be the...   Mar 8 2008, 03:05 PM
Egg Designer   The rope theory is not relevant in this argument a...   Mar 12 2008, 12:11 PM
Jeffers   The plane will only take off if there is airflow o...   Mar 13 2008, 10:20 AM
jamie   Your wrong Accept it and move on with your life....   Mar 13 2008, 01:13 PM
Jeffers   Thats impossible. Your wrong Accept it and mov...   Mar 14 2008, 04:25 PM
Egg Designer   OK, does that mean we are all in agreement now the...   Mar 13 2008, 03:06 PM
Emily   :mad: Your all Ghaaayyy! and wrong! :ha...   Mar 16 2008, 11:36 AM
Jeffers   :mad: Your all Ghaaayyy! and wrong! :h...   Mar 17 2008, 08:51 AM


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